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grennis
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Source Control Integration, when?7/15/2004 4:09:37 AM

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Web dev express is virtually useless as a development tool without Source contol integration. Please let me know when this will be added back into Visual Web Dev? Thanks
bgold
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Re: Source Control Integration, when?7/15/2004 6:45:39 AM

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Visual Web Developer 2005 Express Edition is focused on hobbyist, enthusiast and student developers. Team development and source control is something that we typically do not consider ot be a feature relevant to this audience. Visual Studio 2005, which contains all of the features of Visual Web Developer 2005 Express Edition will also have more advanced professional features, such as:

a) Class Library Project Support (note: you can build classes with VWD -- but you can't compile them into a standalone assembly directly in the IDE).

b) Web Compilation Support (note: you get full intellisense and compilation checking on F5/Ctrl-F5 with VWD -- you just can't pre-compile the site into a single set of compiled DLLs for deployment without source files).

c) Source control support (integrated IDE support is only available in higher VS skus)

d) Mobile Web Support (no WYSIWYG support for mobile controls)

e) Accessibility checker (ASP.NET will emit 508/WCAG accessible markup -- but express doesn't include the built-in accessibility checker for the IDE)

f) Localization support (this is provided at runtime by ASP.NET -- but express doesn't include the built-in resource stripping functionality to easily localize sites; note that VWD itself will be localized into 8 separate languages).

g) Unit Testing support (both class and web project unit testing are only available in the higher skus).

h) Class Designer

i) Web Load Testing

j) Remote Debugging (note: local debugging - including to IIS -- is fully supported)

k) Windows Forms and Console Library Support

For you, your best bet is to go with full blown Visual Studio 2005.

Hope this helps.

Thanks,
Brian

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Brian Goldfarb [MS]
Group Product Manager
UX Platform and Tools Strategy
grennis
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Re: Source Control Integration, when?7/15/2004 11:53:37 AM

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OK, Thanks for the info. I was afraid you were going to say that.
dot365
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Re: Source Control Integration, when?7/20/2004 9:09:13 PM

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VWD has an area for "Source Control Plug-Ins". I'm wondering if this means that it's possible that someone could make a plugin for VWD to use some sort of source control?

Also, it seems like it's possible to use VWD with another source control provider. I've been trying this out and haven't run into any problems. Since VWD is more file based instead of project based it seems we are able to check out files with another interface and edit them with VWD. It would just be clunky to have to check out files using another application instead of with VWD.
el_tomatillo
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Re: Source Control Integration, when?9/27/2005 12:14:44 AM

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What other provider would that be?  Can you suggest a simple, file-based provider that might work with the 2005 Express editions of VWD or VB.Net, etc.?

Thanks,

Tom 

Kressilac
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Re: Source Control Integration, when?9/27/2005 7:16:53 PM

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We've been using VWD for building an enterprise sized application.  Only now, as we near the completion of the project are we getting to the point where we can really see why having VS2005 would be useful.  Integrated debugging of user controls/web services and your web site would be nice for one.  We do not use MS Team System and we ran away from Source Safe as fast as we could. 

We've settled upon CVS through WinCVS and it works nicely.  I'll grant you that WinCVS is not an "integrated" tool but due to its design it doesn't really need to be.  We have a small team of 6 working on the project so its still pretty easy to communicate that we are using some files.  For the most part we do not need to though because CVS is pretty good at merging code should two or more developers edit a file before checking it in.  All in all, CVS is meeting all of our needs and more.  We've scripted the database to download new schema scripts every night so that the database schema is committed when changes occur.  We've setup a production CVS server that we roll change scripts into before deployment to production and because CVS can be command line driven we've made it all one click.

I'm interested in seeing what Visual Studio Team System brings to the table but if it does not have a way for us to build a customized change control environment out of it, we'll likely stick with the time tested and stable CVS.  We've never had a corrupted repository and such like we saw all the time with Source Safe.  Lets hope Team System learns from CVS and expands upon its principles.  If you want to take a look at it go to www.cvsnt.org and www.wincvs.org to find information on deployment, usage, and other topics.

Kressilac
dot365
Asp.Net User
Re: Source Control Integration, when?9/28/2005 7:22:12 AM

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el_tomatillo, VSS is a very simple file-based provider.

There is also CVS and Subversion.  CVS and subversion are free, but you'll need to do some reading in order to get them set up and working properly.

None of these will integrate directly into VS.net.  You would have to use the source control app and VS.net separately (check out the file from source control, then use VS.net to edit the file in it's working directory.).
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