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	TheLe
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Master Pages - Good and Bad?

4/13/2006 3:00:28 PM

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I finally got Master Pages working. It was a touch tricky, but overall was pretty easy.

Are there any downsides to having Master Pages? For example, don't I lose the ability to have <title></title> specific to the content page?

`Le

	nberardi
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Re: Master Pages - Good and Bad?

4/13/2006 4:28:47 PM

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No you set the title in the @Page tag of each of your pages that use the master page. However some of the downsides come when you are generating content on the fly like most of the CMS for .NET do.

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	patber
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Re: Master Pages - Good and Bad?

4/13/2006 6:05:25 PM

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Downsides like what?

The MasterPage-file location can be set "programatically", so I can't see any downsides?

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/Patrik

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	nberardi
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Re: Master Pages - Good and Bad?

4/13/2006 6:34:37 PM

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If you are familure with the DotNetNuke project all the webpages are generated from the database, which would make it very difficult to actually impliment Master Pages. MasterPages are good for small sites that you need to keep a common look and feel, but once you get past 20 pages you are going to start looking at Content Management Systems. And the master page concept doesn't work so well in database generated IHttpHandlers.

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	patber
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Re: Master Pages - Good and Bad?

4/13/2006 7:27:28 PM

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Doesn't that depend on how the CMS is built from the beginning?

I can agree that using HttpHandlers and HttpModules with Themes, were You can't set the "path to the theme" programatically, but, for MasterPages you can ... so, I can't see the downside of using MasterPages in a CMS. It all starts with the core code ... so if You have MasterPages in mind from the beginning, it will not be a problem, as I see it. You don't need to only use one MasterPage, you can use several different masterpages ...

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/Patrik

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	PaulWilson
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Re: Master Pages - Good and Bad?

4/14/2006 12:23:07 AM

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I agree with Patrik -- my WilsonWebPortal is all dynamically generated from the database, but it also still uses MasterPages, as well as Themes and custom providers.

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	MorningZ
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Re: Master Pages - Good and Bad?

4/14/2006 9:54:59 AM

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TheLe:
Are there any downsides to having Master Pages?

I think one huge trip up on Master Pages is the naming changes that happens to all the controls, that trips a LOT of people up.....

it would rock if simply saying: Me.FindControl("ControlID")

inside a given ASPX page made it find the controlID defined in that <asp:Content> tag (but there's problems with that, i know)..

anyways, that is what i see as the biggest "gotcha" for many people getting into using MasterPages...

"If you make it idiot proof, they'll build a better idiot"

	patber
	Asp.Net User

Re: Master Pages - Good and Bad?

4/14/2006 10:57:35 AM

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I still have a topic on how to change the theme-css-file-path in link-tag ... it is always relative to document but I like to have it related to the root-folder.

Topic: http://forums.asp.net/thread/1257055.aspx

Regards,
/Patrik

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	TheLe
	Asp.Net User

Re: Master Pages - Good and Bad?

4/14/2006 2:12:18 PM

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MorningZ:
TheLe:
Are there any downsides to having Master Pages?

I think one huge trip up on Master Pages is the naming changes that happens to all the controls, that trips a LOT of people up.....

it would rock if simply saying: Me.FindControl("ControlID")

inside a given ASPX page made it find the controlID defined in that <asp:Content> tag (but there's problems with that, i know)..

anyways, that is what i see as the biggest "gotcha" for many people getting into using MasterPages...

I am not understanding. What gets renamed? The Actual ContentControlID?

~Le

	MorningZ
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Re: Master Pages - Good and Bad?

4/14/2006 6:06:38 PM

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http://www.odetocode.com/Articles/450.aspx

Mr Allen does a much better job explaining... scroll down to about 3/4's down the page to "FindControl, Javascript, and Naming Containers"

"If you make it idiot proof, they'll build a better idiot"

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Re: Master Pages - Good and Bad?

4/14/2006 6:06:56 PM

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nberardi:
If you are familure with the DotNetNuke project all the webpages are generated from the database, which would make it very difficult to actually impliment Master Pages.

Why? MasterPages work fine for generated content. DNN actually implements a form of MasterPages itself, though there were no MasterPages around when the design work for DNN was done.

Jeff

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	nberardi
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Re: Master Pages - Good and Bad?

4/15/2006 5:24:20 PM

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Why? MasterPages work fine for generated content. DNN actually implements a form of MasterPages itself, though there were no MasterPages around when the design work for DNN was done.

So how does this disprove my point. You are only helping to support it. DNN's own "master pages" are based around their current implimentation, the current "master pages" is built around the web site project type. It doesn't work well for the web application project that is going to be released with SP1 of VS 2005.

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